Jay Shafer (@fourlightshouse) is best known as the pioneer of the tiny house movement. He’s the author of the Small House Book and the founder of Four Lights Tiny House Company. His work has been featured on Oprah, The New York Times, The New Yorker and more. We talk about Jay’s early influences, what role art plays in his design, what constitutes good design and how he wouldn’t have started living in tiny houses if it weren’t illegal. This leads us to touch upon the social and political aspects of tiny houses in our communities, as well as Jay’s latest project - Tiny Houses for Humanity.